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Post by Greyhounds45 on May 19, 2014 16:06:41 GMT -5
If someone can't afford a big mg I don't see why it's bad that they have a box mag and internal upgrades for rof and such, but only a box mag makes you look stupid.
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Post by cheiflongshot on May 19, 2014 16:38:33 GMT -5
Well Im more milsim oriented so a m4 with a box mag is a bit ridiculous to me. I still think you can get more range, equal rof , and more firepower than I rifleman.
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Yay! I am 2 months late to the party. Personally, I think the most important roles are support gunners and scouts. One helps get you out of a bad situation faster, and the other alerts you of bad situations that may come. So you can be prepared for whatever crap is thrown at you!
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Post by BlackNightBravo on Jul 20, 2014 22:27:38 GMT -5
I think the most important role is the squad itself. Everyone working as a team, will provide best results. Thank you, thank you. BNB out. I'll be here all week.
Post by Greyhounds45 on Jul 21, 2014 0:00:29 GMT -5
Notice the title, which specifies squad role, meaning the individual players that make up the squad. Although the squad must work as a team to reach the ultimate goal of winning, that's not what the question entitles. Imagine you took the basic squad roles - sniper, scout, support gunner, rifleman, and designated marksman - and put one of each with equal skill level in their specific field of combat, into an Airsoft match, who do you think would become the victor over the others? Saying that the squad plays the most important role, in the squad, is illogical and doesn't make sense whatsoever. When the players fulfilling the squad roles come together as one squad, fighting on the same team however, they are all equally important in the sense that when they work together all of their disadvantages are covered by another's advantages. Like mentioned earlier, when separated, they no longer are covered by a team mates skill set as that specific role.
Therefore, your argument is invalid, BNB
Hope that wasn't to hard to follow, it's midnight and I am tired :/ .
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Post by BlackNightBravo on Jul 21, 2014 7:21:21 GMT -5
I beg to differ. If people within a squad get cocky and start asking whose the most important within the squad things tend to fall apart. A squad needs to work like a well oiled machine. This question itself doesn't have a helpful role in a squad. Quite the opposite. I get it, if you pitcher the squad members against each other who would win. I would say the most experienced player, regardless of weapon or role.
I beg to differ. If people within a squad get cocky and start asking whose the most important within the squad things tend to fall apart. "When the players fulfilling the squad roles come together as one squad, fighting as one team, however, they are all equally important in the sense that when they work together all of the disadvantages are covered by another's advantages." A squad needs to work like a well oiled machine. This question itself doesn't have a helpful role in a squad. Quite the opposite. I get it, if you pitcher the squad members against each other who would win. I would say the most experienced player, regardless of weapon or role. "Notice the part in my post where I said "and put one of each with equal skill level."
Your argument that the squad plays the most important role in the squad, is invalid. If you were correct, you could say "the most important part of the human body is the entire body" . Yes in order to function properly, like a "well oiled machine" you need all parts of the body. But you can survive without an arm or a leg, couldn't you? However, I have never heard about someone who lived without a functioning heart or brain.
It is a different with a squad though, because you could have all the average roles except lets say, a sniper. Yes you can still function and win as a squad, that's why I posted the part about pitching them all against each other - with EQUAL SKILL LEVEL IN THEIR SPECIFIC FIELD OF COMBAT - I think that's what the title of this thread should have been called, "Which squad role do you think would win if they all have equal skill levels and they all have a complete personalized loadout which they can use effectively?" .
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BlackNightBravo is awesome,
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Gunjack is sick,
intheshadows is "special" .
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Post by BlackNightBravo on Jul 23, 2014 9:16:24 GMT -5
What in saying is how are you supposed to say which is better? It's like comparing apples to oranges to bananas to peaches to a dog. What criteria are you using to say any which one is better? I just say the arguments of one over the other is invalid. Sure, you might do just fine without an automatic rifleman or a sniper, but regarding your human body comparison, I don't think a squad would collapse with the absence of any one member. Besides, it should be that way invade he/she gets shot. I think the point of a squad is to be flexible, adaptable, and able to survive independently as well. So, in conclusion, saying a machine gunner with a support weapon is vastly better than a sniper, or breach man, is stupid. They all have their niches, but of course have to also be adaptable. I'm saying the same point over and over but you get what I mean. (I hope )
Post by Greyhounds45 on Jul 23, 2014 9:40:32 GMT -5
Yes I get what you mean, and honestly part of the reason I challenged your argument was just to give you a hard time for taking the question out of context .
Which is also why I said what the title of this thread should be, as "most important squad role debate" is waaaaaaaaaay to vague.
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You could (and have )debated this question for months without an answer that everyone will agree on, that's because each specialty fills a unique roll in the team. While I agree that training is an important tool in honing the skills of each member, It does not fully answer the question. If your looking for the one definitive answer,(IMHO) it would be the team leader. It's the leaders job to see that each team member knows his job, and his weapon. He knows each members strengths and weaknesses, He is responsible for deploying the team in the correct positions, and using those strengths in the best possible manner. It's the team leaders job to see that the mission is completed and to keep his men alive. This is true on the Battlefield as well as the airsoft field.
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